I followed a link to a blog today. The blog was nothing special, and not particularly well-written, but it triggered a connection in my brain to something I heard recently elsewhere.
In the blog, the writer — Ms. Sanitsuda Ekachai — makes a number of statements that I want to offer to you here.
As a mother, the news that grabbed my attention over the weekend … was about a boy gang rape. A nightmare for any parent, the incident involved three boys, aged 8, 11 and 12, raping a 7-year-old girl neighbour. The boys said they just wanted to copy the porn they saw in the Internet shop.
This horrifying news came on the heels of a Thammasat University sex scandal involving a male lecturer who offered a girl student better grades in exchange for oral sex.
How can poor parents keep close watch on their children when they have to struggle to make ends meet?
How can the boys know rape is a heinous crime when the hottest soap opera on TV now says rape is okay, when the law allows rapists to get away with murder by marrying the victims, and when men in authority rarely get punished for their sexual crimes?
I might have thought this was mindless blather or sensationalizing, but I didn’t. First of all, I was familiar with the two news stories, and her brief summaries are accurate based on the news reports that I read.
But what I might normally have dismissed was the final paragraph in the quote above, about TV soap operas, rapists and men in authority if I hadn’t recently heard an intelligent Thai commenter talking about this very thing recently.
I don’t watch Thai soap operas often, but when my ex-girlfriend lived with me they were frequently droning in the background. I would occasionally watch them with her as an exercise in trying to improve the quality of my dismally bad Thai.
American soap operas are useless drivel, and unbelievable story lines that seem to have little to do with real life in America. Marriage, divorce, re-marriage, murder, amnesia… all of these exist in America, but they’re not exactly standard fare in Allentown Pennsilvania on Saturday afternoon. Soap operas don’t reflect real life, and they are a strange perversion of some social realities.
Similarly, Thai soap operas (incidentally, Thais don’t use or understand the term ’soap opera’, typically they just call them ‘dramas’ in English) don’t reflect life in Thailand. For one thing, there’s a lot of conflict, including shouting, screaming, slapping, fighting and guns. These things are rarely seen in Thailand, where harmony is valued above all things and open conflict is seen as a complete loss of self control — an embarrassing loss of face.
I had a well educated Thai man — with a doctorate in literature who spoke very good English — recently comment on this. He expressed the view that these unreal scenes in soap operas act as a form of ‘release’ for Thais who watch the TV shows. He said that Thais have to keep such a tight control over their emotions that watching people let go of all control, with the resulting cat fights and brawls in the storyline, was a way for Thais vicariously to release some of the tension that builds up in their own lives.
Yeah. Pop psychology. I’m not here to debate whether he was right or wrong. What I’m interested in is what he said next.
He started talking about the fact that recently there have been shows in which the main characters have been shown to rape female characters, and that the audience will view this as a romantic thing. He said that this was not new; that even dramas set hundreds of years in the past have similar themes.
He spent some time explaining. He gave examples from Thai traditions — theatre and literature — where a powerful man or god would rape a woman. A common theme was that the woman would come to admire his power and virility, and typically would fall in love with him and often marry him.
Wow! What a different concept! Rape as a prelude to love and marriage.
Now, I want to stress that this guy had a PhD in literature; he should know what he is talking about.
It’s a far cry from the idea that it doesn’t matter what she’s wearing, what she’s done or how far you’ve gone, when a woman says ‘no’ she means ‘no’ and you need to respect that.
He linked these traditional stories to the dramas (soap operas) on TV today, saying that the representations of rape in these shows flows from this long history of male dominance that these stories would suggest is admired by women. He made it clear that, while he disagreed with this idea himself, it was an entrenched part of Thai sociology, and that a Westerner probably couldn’t understand how to many Thais (at least the writers, producers, directors, actors and TV executives) that makes it a theme that is acceptable to put on prime time TV.
I’m not trying to explain or defend anything here. I don’t think I even give a very cogent explanation, because I didn’t retain enough detailed information (he told me the names of specific characters from specific stories to illustrate, but I can’t recall them) to explain to you the way he explained to me.
My only point is to say that I recently heard a highly educated man saying much the same thing as this potentially shrill blogger quoted above. To me, it means that she isn’t shrill… she’s talking about real things.
Consider this information orginally posted by the Nation newspaper:
Children enjoy sexual assault scenes on TVs: survey
A recent survey has revealed shocking findings: many children enjoy watching scenes of rapes on TV and they come to see sexual assaults as something common. “Some children even say they want to be like leading male characters in TV series so that they can rape a woman,” Dr Noppadon Kannika said Tuesday as the head of the Assumption University’s research centre, “This is worrying”.
Conducted from April 24 to April 27, the survey covered 2,159 respondents in Bangkok and major cities. The respondent age starts from two years old up. According to the survey, raping scenes are the favorite among 21.1 per cent of children aged between 13 and 19 years old, 10.3 per cent of childrent between two and six years old and 6.4 per cent of those aged from seven to 12 years old.
On one forum here in Thailand a commenter wrote:
They see nothing wrong with [rape] as the lead male ends up marrying the woman he earlier raped and beat. We see this kind of acton so often that it becomes the norm for children. They learn that Thai males are superior and that they can get away with beating their wife or girlfriend.
How amazing! I feel overwhelmed by these ideas because I was so unaware of them. Yet it feels like I’ve been assaulted by this idea in the last 7 days.
If it weren’t so sad, it would almost be funny, since Thai TV is so heavily censored for other things. Pixilation is rampant, blocking out people holding lit cigarettes, pointing guns at other people and even many Buddha images. Another recent drama call something like “Airline Hostess Wars” was pulled off the air because of pressure from flight attendants who objected to the portrayal of flight attendants arguing and getting physically violent with one another in-flight.
But a story line built around rape doesn’t seem to tweak the censors’ antennae. Strange.
Thailand is a country where the rich and powerful are not held accountable to the same rules as the poor and weak. To use a hackneyed phrase, “money talks”.
The most recent high-profile example I know of involves the son of the Deputy Prime Minister. Several years ago when he was in the Army he was accused of shooting and killing a police officer in a bar-room brawl. He ran away to Malaysia to avoid being arrested, deserting his duties as an Army officer.
About a year later he returned to Thailand and had his day in court, and was found ‘not guilty’ of the killing. Thai laws on slander are very harsh; you can’t just say what you think here. A man who is found not guilty in court has the law on his side. I asked some Thai friends about the case and they were not shy about expressing their opinions about why he was not convicted.
What is undeniable, though, is that he was AWOL. He deserted his duties with the army.
Last week it was announced that this… person… had been re-instated to the Army, and will now hold an officer’s rank. In effect, he has been given the rank that he might have earned had he not deserted.
Is it because his father is the Deputy Prime Minister? What do you think?
In the light of high profile stories like these, I understand K. Santisuda’s lament about “men in authority [who] rarely get punished for their sexual crimes.” Here we have an army deserter and previously accused murderer being rewarded with a commission in the army; what kind of punishment would be meted out to the rich and powerful for rape in this society? Somehow, I think the answer is ‘not much’.
It seems that Ms. Sanitsuda Ekachai, the blog writer that I quoted a the top, is not simply an excitable mother over-reacting to one or two isolated news stories. In fact, her statements seem quite accurate and reasoned. Her concerns seem to be real.
This is an aspect of Thailand that I didn’t understand before, and I’m not sure I really understand it now. But it is disturbing.


May 5, 2008 at 6:25 am |
…very disturbing.
It’s always struck me how emotionally weak Thai men are. By contrast, the women are among the strongest I’ve ever known. The men rely on the traditional social structures to sustain their interests, while the women have only their guile and their own emotional fortitude to rely on. They sure make ‘em tough out there!
It’s particularly sad speaking to girls who have moved into the city from the rural parts, where it seems that rape and incest are shockingly common from a very young age.
May 5, 2008 at 6:36 am |
Great blog and one of your best !! Surprisingly no one has commented yet.
I bet that the writers, producers and directors of the mentioned Thai “dramas” are all men.
In my opinion it could make just as good soap opera if they bothered to show the impact of such heinous crime on a victim’s life.
A court drama, where a rapist is sentenced to a long prison term can also make good TV and at the same time have educational merit…
And one more thing – it’s not just when a woman says ‘no’ she means no.
It applies to ALL mankind !!
P.S. It was an excellent idea to extend the ‘recent comments’ on the home page.
May 5, 2008 at 6:42 am |
Excellent entry that brings up issues that I’ve thought about the past few years (and girlfriends).
It might also explain why some Thai women are completely numb to their own sexual satisfaction, and actually feel remorse and apologize if the man has not “finished.”
I love it when they say, “thank you,” though.
For some women, sex is often just “a matter of fact” in Thailand. Perhaps this attitude evolved as a survival mechanism?
Unfortunately, the 18-20 year old woman with a baby is the all too common result.
>> more pics: http://www.pbase.com/mataho/bangkok_street
May 5, 2008 at 7:08 am |
mataho in bkk: From my experience all women, any nationality, are unhappy if the man didn’t finish.
Must be something to do with their ego
Your photos are PRICELESS !!!
May 5, 2008 at 7:52 am |
Manny, is my initial comment not showing? You said “surprisingly no one has commented yet”?
May 5, 2008 at 7:55 am |
Swampthing: When I started to write my comment there where no others.
You posted the response while I was busy thinking and typing.
May 5, 2008 at 8:01 am |
Ta. I’m on the blackberry today and it’s not always the most reliable.
May 5, 2008 at 9:09 am |
Manny, It is my experience that most American women could care less about the man’s “finish.” They are much more interested in their own. Who do you think coined the phrase, “premature…” Not a Thai doctor!
Interestingly, men think that ED drugs are for them? No way. Why do you think every US TV football commercial for ED drugs featured a smiling woman very prominently? In the US, men are supposed to “take care” of their women. But in much different ways than in Thailand.
My limited 2+ years experience with women in Thailand is almost a 180 degree departure from women in America. The one exception was a Thai woman who spent six years in America getting her Ph.D. She like to complain a lot!
I have to go. My GF just returned from the store with milk for my coffee and Khao Phad for breakfast!
May 5, 2008 at 10:08 am |
Interesting responses to this blog, which I didn’t feel was very well-written. I held onto it for about 6 hours, but finally pressed the ‘publish’ button when I couldn’t figure out how to say it any better.
One reason for the long time (almost a full day) without comments is that I posted it on Sunday. The blog traffic drops waaaaay down on Saturdays and Sundays, then spikes on Monday/Tuesday as people around the world get back to the office and eschew their work to check their favorite blog sites. Comments are always quiet on the weekends. This weekend seemed to be quieter than normal, possibly due to the Thursday and Monday holidays bracketing the weekend here in Thailand.
I’ve wanted to do something with the comments section for a long time. WordPress upgraded the administrative functions on their blog package recently, putting in lots of cool new stuff. I didn’t get to fully explore it until this weekend, but when I did, I found that they’d finally put in an option to expand comments. Another change was the option to have the archives as a drop down box instead of a fixed list.
Within a week of the upgrade, the photo upload function broke. The box is off the screen. Initially it fucked up on Firefox, with the bottom half of the box being off screen and immovable, but IE worked okay. The next day, IE fucked up as well, being halfway off the screen at teh TOP, and immovable. I managed to figure out a work-around in Firefox, but it’s a pain in the ass… hopefully a bug in the new feature that will be fixed soon.
Finally, I’ve decided to make a major change to the site. Instead of calling it Werewolf’s Lair, I’m going to change the name to mataho’s photo link site.
May 5, 2008 at 10:38 am |
OK, very funny! I will not do that again! Khortot khup!
It’s just with all the holidays around here the past week the “eye candy” has been a little thin! Your readers might have withdrawal symptoms.
May 5, 2008 at 10:46 am |
I didn’t say you can’t put the link up… I was just laughing because that’s the second time in a week you linked the same page in addition to the standard link to flickr that is on your screen name. Since I like your photos, I’m not comlaining seriously about the linking; just poking a little good fun…
May 5, 2008 at 10:56 am |
Manny’s been stroking me!
May 5, 2008 at 11:14 am |
mataho: I mean everything what I write.
I saved lot of your pictures to my private collection.
Hopefully you don’t mind.
Cheers
May 5, 2008 at 11:22 am |
Khun Manny:
Everything’s cool!
“Monday, Monday…”
May 6, 2008 at 1:19 pm |
My girlfriend watches that dogshit rape drama like a japanese kid glued to Pokemon.
The 1 where hes always tying her up, abducting her and mincing round in his hairdressers Mercedes? I think its set in HuaHin.
Just puzzles me how he ties her up, kidnapps her and they play romantic music over it and sensationalise it, all her mates know he does it to her and do nothing about it. Absolute shyte it is
May 6, 2008 at 1:28 pm |
Khun Chang Khun Phaen
Is the ‘novel’ that has all the Thai culture you need.
I’m particularly impressed with using foetuses to make magic talismans.
But for out and out tyranny, rule of whim and total disregard for non ranking people it describes everything.
Read the whole deal on :-
http://pioneer.netserv.chula.ac.th/~ppasuk/kckp/chapters.htm
May 10, 2008 at 12:36 pm |
Many hiso’s and not-so-hiso’s and semi-riep roi’s use “soapies” – never having heard the words “soap opera”.