I have been reading the Stickman website again for the last couple of months.
One of the stories that Stick has made an effort to expose has been the the issue of FAKE MONKS begging money on the streets of Bangkok — specifically in the Sukhumvit area. Stickman has discussed this in two or three posts, with this week’s blog containing one of the more complete and entertaining stories below the feature article.
I have seen the fake monks a couple of times. In the past I simply walked past them, ignoring their pleas for a contribution.
I have been in Thailand for just three years and I have to say it now seems simple to identify the fake monks. I can’ t quite figure out why Thai people — who are certain to know that these are not real monks — let them brazenly walk the streets in imitation of the real holy men.
How can you know a real monk (pra in Thai language) from a fake?
There are several tip offs.
1. Real monks never BEG. They go out in the morning with a bowl and silently walk the streets. They are providing the opportunity for the faithful to earn merit by donating FOOD to them, which is placed in the bowl carried by the monk. People do not normally give cash to monks, and in Thailand, real Buddhist monks would never approach you and ask you for money.
2. In Thailand, Monks go out early in the day (usually between 6 a.m. and 9 a.m.) If you see a monk asking for money in the night time he is almost certainly an imposter.
3. Real monks are unlikely to be seeking donations on Soi Cowboy or very near other farang naughty nightlife areas. They are also not likely to approach farang directly. Keep in mind guidelines #1 and 2. If you see a monk at night, asking for cash in Soi Cowboy, he is almost certainly an imposter.
4. The robes these guys wear might look the same as real monk’s robe’s to someone who does not see them regularly. Here’s what some REAL monks look like:
Burmese Monks; burgundy robes
Thai monks — orange or saffron robes.
Note that both Thai and Burmese have the right shoulder exposed. Let’s look again at the picture of the fake monks at the top of the blog:

These guys are dressed very differently. I don’t know if these are legitimate monk’s robes or not… they may be… but at the very least this is an unusual outfit for a monk on the streets of Bangkok.
It should be obvious to any Thai person who sees them that they are dressed unusually, walking on Sukhumvit Road late at night and actually begging for cash from foreigners. The Thais must know that they are fakes but in that never-ending striving for harmony, the Thai people in the street never confront them.
Stickman’s friend, who Stick refers to as the Dirty Doctor, has been doing just that — confronting the fake monks — for several weeks now. The Dirty Doctor is the substantial looking white fellow in the small photos at the top of the blog.
Why confront the fake monks?
Well, I guess it’s just the affront that one feels seeing liars dupe people into giving them money by playing on the good feelings of charity and kindness. Foreigners who don’t know any better give cash to them believing that they are doing the right thing. It can be angering to know that these guys are getting away with it.
So, you can read back though the Stickman weekly column for several weeks to get the full story, but each time the Dirty Doctor sees these guys, he tells passers-by not to give them anything, explains that they are fakes, and if they try to flee by getting in a taxi then he gets in with them. He follows them until they will — literally — run away.
Well, I saw these guys last night before 10 pm near the Landmark Hotel. I got close to them and prevented them from begging for cash. They almost immediately hopped in a cab, the short guy in the front and the taller in the back.
I simply stood in the back door space, with the door open and my head and shoulders in the taxi, and wouldn’t move. The driver couldn’t drive anywhere without risking serious injury to me. The taller ‘monk’ in the back started pushing and pulling trying to get me to move, which I pointed out to the driver as evidence of they guy being a fake. The driver, who at first thought I was a crazy farang, eventually realized that I was telling the truth. Sitting still on Sukhumvit Road with horns blasting at him wasn’t going to pay his rent, so he finally told the ‘monks’ to get out of his car.
They hopped out and quickly skipped through the traffic to cross to the other side of Sukhumvit Road. I stayed with them, close enough to reach out and touch if I wanted. (This time I looked down as I crossed the median strip!).
On the other side of the street they went into the market stall areas moving as quickly as they could to get away from me, and they hustled into the Arab sections along Soi 5. Again, I stayed with them.
They doubled back to Sukhumvit Road. Again I stayed with them. At Sukhumvit they got confused and separated when one of them turned up the sidewalk and the other turned up the street. I stayed with the one in the street.
He hopped in a Tuk Tuk.
I smiled and waved goodbye. I figured he could pay the tuk tuk driver some of his cash.
The ‘monk’ was surprised. He actually tried to get me into the tuk tuk with him, waving me on. I shoook my head and stepped away.
He spoke to the tuk tuk driver and got out of the tuk tuk, heading into Soi 5 again.
I stayed on his heels. When we reached Soi 3, he turned to the right and continued walking quickly. The sidewalk is narrow and crowded, so it was a bit stop & start At one point he had to stand still to let some people pass and I hooked my fingers in the collar of his robe. When he tried to walk forward again he couldn’t go anywhere.
He angrily pulled away then moved out in the traffic on soi 3, dodging between cars, and actually being quite dangerous. I’m sure he was hoping I’d come to some grief trying to follow him, but one of the safest places to be in traffic is behind a guy dressed as a monk. The cars yielded to him freely, and I was never more than 12 inches away from him.
Finally he broke into a run up the street against the traffic.
This was fun, but not that much fun. I wasn’t gonna chase the fake monk in a foot race up the street. I walked up soi 3, checking taxis coming back to see if he had hopped inside of one, but I didn’t spot him again.
After just a few seconds two guys drove up next to me on a motorcycle. They were ready to chase the fake monk down and asked me in English if he had caused me some problem. I replied that he hadn’t, and explained briefly why I’d been following him. The two guys laughed and said that the fake monk looked pretty funny fleeing down the street away from giant farang. I thanked the two guys for their offer to help. They drove away and I walked to Sukhumvit MRT station to get the train home.
All up, I probably wasted 20 minutes of my time and theirs.
You might wonder why I’d bother with all of this.
I wonder myself.
Mostly it was just fun. These guys aren’t really harming anyone — just pulling off a simple scam for small money — but it bothers me that they get away with impersonating monks. It doesn’t drive a stake deep into my soul, but between the fact that these guys are doing something a bit wrong, and that hassling them has a certain ‘fun’ factor to it, I had a go. I actually enjoyed myself.
Sanuk.
Hopefully at some point it’ll just become too difficult for these guys to pull this scam and they’ll have to stop.
Hopefully they won’t change to armed robbery or selling drugs to children instead.




July 18, 2008 at 4:55 pm |
Well done! I hate those c**ts!!!
Would have been too funny if you’d managed to chase them directly into the sewer that you have “visited” not too long ago.
I usually throw ice cubes at them or a bit of beer. They love it. Not.
July 18, 2008 at 6:20 pm |
great post WW – That would have been one hilarious youtube video!
Dirty Doctor and WW – can you say posse?
I think we should organize a night out looking for these guys.
Doesn’t sound the Thai locals will give us much grief.
Count me in!
July 18, 2008 at 6:41 pm |
werewolf: admirable but I’m not so sure they are fakes. there are 2 strains of buddhism: theravada and mahayana. theravada is practised in southeast asia and sri lanka. mahayana in tibet, bhutan, japan and china. those robes are the proper robes of chinese monks. and monks in japan and china do beg. they tend to live in monasteries and do not do alms rounds in the same way as thai and burmese monks. nevertheless, they may still be fakes but if they are they are posing as chinese monks and not thai monks. if they posed as thai monks they would most certainly land themselves in a lot more trouble.
here are some pictures of monks from different countries:
http://www.religionfacts.com/buddhism/gallery/monks.htm
July 18, 2008 at 6:58 pm |
bkkU: not sure ‘admirable’ is the right word, but…
seeing these guys upclose you would know that they are not real monks by their behaviour, even if the clothes are authentic.
that was a good link you provided. thanks.
July 18, 2008 at 7:19 pm |
bkku: They ARE fakes, and you can tell them spot on. I think you know it, but just wanted to post something arcane that you may know something about Buddhism, yet you even got that wrong… TWO strains of Buddhism?
OK, I’ll give you a B+ on monk fashions… Thanks.
July 18, 2008 at 7:50 pm |
Svetlana and I got pestered in this way one eveing in Suk – the ‘monk’ just says ‘Hello’ and holds out his bowl – I confess to having chucked in some dosh. Irritatingly we got ‘Helloed’ again walking back shortly after. I know all farangs look alike but jeeze…. it can’t have been more than a few minutes and I would have thought Svetlanas red locks would have been memorable for at least 20 minutes or so.
However, obviously I was scammed – you simply don’t expect that sort of thing in Bangkok, least of all in Sukhumvit
July 18, 2008 at 8:33 pm |
i hate the idea of these monk(eys) stealing from innocent people as much as anyone else, but i can’t help feeling that this is all going to end in tears. if these guys really are criminals then who knows what lengths they will go to to get rid of a nosy foreigner. likewise, if they are criminals then they should be dealt with by the police (regardless of how incompetent they might be).
on a rather large sidenote, look at the state of this so-called ‘Dirty Doctor’. He is an embarassment and really shouldn’t be drawing any more attention to himself than his gut is already doing. Why on earth is Stickman casting this idiot as some sort of hero?
cheers.
July 18, 2008 at 10:37 pm |
These monks might get wise and lay an ass beating on someone if people start regularly ruining their business. Be careful.
July 18, 2008 at 10:43 pm |
john brown: not sure what i wrote to offend you such. i wasn’t saying they weren’t fake. i was just pointing out that their garb wasn’t a clear giveaway of that fake status. and i wasn’t pointing out anything arcane about buddhism at all. yes, officially they are called ’schools’ of buddhism. but other than my using strains instead of schools i don’t see where i was wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism
peace
July 18, 2008 at 10:56 pm |
i’d be wary of chasing monks…at first glance the local population may decide that a farang was hassling an honest monk…could turn ugly very quickly…
July 19, 2008 at 6:30 am |
They probably have some seriously bad ass friends that will come to the rescue.
Watch out.
Thai Tourist Mafia will take you down.
July 19, 2008 at 6:58 am |
I do have to say that I love this pro-acitve form of policing the crooks.
I only wish the expats would go a step further and protest outside bars where girls are on yaba or where the management doesn’ t give a shit if the girl pulls the 3am phone call from a relative saying that there’s been a emergency that she needs to leave to address right now after you’ve agreed on LT.
July 19, 2008 at 12:21 pm |
@Billy: We just don’t have the numbers. That’s pretty much every expat-oriented bar in Thailand…
I say we go for a ban on the flower seller kids next. Let’s forget for a moment about the child labour aspect, the fact that they should be in bed ready for school in the morning, and the fact that a red-light district probably isn’t the best place to keep children. That much is obvious, and I can’t believe the Thais stand for it.
The other night I had two kids physically grab on to me as I walked down Sukhumvit. They wouldn’t dare pull that on a Thai guy, but they know a farang can’t/won’t react. So I’m walking along like an idiot with two kids literally hanging off me. Can’t push them away, and they laugh when I tell them to go. When they finally get bored, I get an “I saat” yelled at me for good measure.
I feel an article coming on…
@WW: Good work with the monks – you’ve been having some real adventures since your return. And I see you made it just in time!
July 19, 2008 at 6:15 pm |
One obvious give-away – some of these fake monks (fonks?) approach you with a syrupy smile, holding out their bowl. No real monk smiles, or for that matter approaches you. Another fonk scam is selling those shiny gum cards with a holograph of some deity and a prayer on the back. I actually like religious tat so I asked him how much, and he showed me a notepad with peole’s names, a short message (“peace”, every time) and the amount each sucker paid – ten bucks. I already had the card in my hand, so I wrote “irony” on his pad and gave him a buck. One very unhappy fonk pushed the pad in my face, repeating “ten dollar”. I thanked him kindly and moved on.
The best way of seeing if they’re fake is giving them a good punch in the throat; true monks thank you for the immediacy of the karmic experience. Fonks get mad.
July 19, 2008 at 7:01 pm |
True Buddhist monks (and I don’t care what country you are talking about) have a destiny they are seeking… Part (if not all of that destiny or at least it should be) is to not WANT anything. WANTING is an attachment to things in this world that you just cannot take with you. No Nirvana there…
Asking/begging (whatever you want to call it) is WANTING.
Begging monks… it just beggars (no pun intended) the belief to me…
Robed, naked, or in gym shorts… it doesn’t matter to me.
July 20, 2008 at 12:14 am |
Johnnie B: “Robed, naked, or in gym shorts… it doesn’t matter to me.”
personally I might draw the line at naked.
PE: fonks… too funny