I don’t particularly want to revisit a topic that I just spent a full blog on last week, but there’s not much happening in my life this week besides work.
On Monday this week I started a new contract with a government agency in a place I’d never worked before, and with a group of people I’d never met before. My work usually has me involved with middle and upper management, but this week I’m working with lower level employees — staff, if you will.
I only mention this because the age of the people I’m involved with is noticeably lower than I am accustomed to. As a result, I have met some women in the workplace this week who are attractive. There are three in particular that are appealing to me; one is very cute, one is attractive and outgoing, and the third one borders on beautiful. It also happens that the most beautiful is also the most intelligent and charming, which means that my mate-seeking radar has been on full blast with this girl all week.
I’m not gonna talk about the cute girl today, but I want to talk about the other two, so let’s give them names. I already mentioned the second girl in an earlier blog, so we’ll keep her name, Simmee. Let’s call the beauty by the name of Cat.
When I first saw Cat I thought she looked to be around 24 years old. Using my automatic Thai-girl rule of thumb, I added 4 years and assumed she was probably really 28 or 29.
Yesterday I asked her directly how old she is. I was flabbergasted when she told me that she is 37 years old. Given that I am 48, dating this girl wouldn’t even draw much attention back in farangland. Here in Thailand it would fit neatly in the ‘normal’ range. I had occasion to ask about her home life. She lives with her mother, whom she looks after. She is unmarried, doesn’t have a boyfriend, husband or children.
And so, stupidly maybe, I ask myself one question: is she a lesbian?
I don’t know.
But it’s hard to imagine a Thai woman who is smart, beautiful, fully employed and hardworking being single at age 37 for any other reason.
And it’s a legitimate concern, because I’m very interested in asking her out, but I’d feel silly to ask if I should have known from all the evidence that she bats for the other team.
But this is a minor issue. I’m not going to hesitate over it.
What is more likely to slow me down is that she is, in effect, a client. Normally I’m pretty meticulous about not expressing any personal interest in clients, since it seems as though it can lead to complications.
But I like Cat. She’s not extremely outgoing, so it’s hard to make casual conversation with her and it’s been tough to make much headway, but I’ve got a couple more days working with her so I plan to make a run at her before the end of the week.
By contrast, Simmee is a shameless flirt. The first day we met (on Monday) she asked me if I was married. When I said no, she immediately perked up. After identifying that I didn’t have a girlfriend, didn’t have children and that I wasn’t gay (yes, she actually asked) she volunteered to go out with me.
I was non-committal.
Simmee has made it a point to try to talk to me whenever possible. She generally seeks me out at lunchtime, and the conversations have revealed a lot about her.
I described her in the previous blog as being 30-ish. I would have guessed 33 years old if I had to pick a number. In fact, she told me she is 39 years old and has a 14 year old daughter.
In a series of conversations she made reference to ‘friends’ in Canada, Italy, Australia and other countries. In every case the friend was a man.
I finally asked her if she met these guys online and she said that she had met all of them here in Bangkok, but kept in touch via chatting and email. She actually gave me schedules — dates this month and next month when two of the guys would be arriving from overseas to visit. She had them committed to memory, and it seemed to be just part of a regular series of farang visitors.
She told me that the Italian guy had complained to her that he was in a loveless marriage, but when she asked him why he didn’t get a divorce, he answered that it wasn’t easy in his culture.
She told me that the Australian guy wants her and her daughter to come move to Australia to be with him, offering to support her and saying that her daughter can attend school for free. She said she isn’t really attracted to the guy because he is shorter than she is. She likes men 180 cm and taller. I happen to be 187.
She also asked me why foreigners enjoy massage so much. It turned out that she ‘loves to give massage’ and treats all these men to her special skill. I think there was more than just a little bit of suggestion in this information.
You get the idea. I think she realized yesterday that she had told me a few too many stories about these guys. She started trying to distance herself. She explained to me that when these men visit from overseas she lets them stay at her house, but that they have their own bed… that she, the guy and her daughter all sleep in three separate beds in the same room. The mind boggles….
Simmee is a true ‘tweener. I am working with her, so I know she is fully employed in a government job, but she dreams of, and actively pursues, a new life with a foreigner. She has made a string of connections, at least one of whom seems to be trying to bring her to farangland, but I get the feeling that none of the guys in her stable is exactly what she is looking for. At thirty nine years of age I think she probably knows her options are getting pretty narrow. She seems realistic enough to settle for whatever she can get.
Her desperation is a little too apparent to me, and scares me into avoiding entanglements with this girl, whom I might otherwise have tried to turn into a casual shag. She was bright enough to tell me that she ‘never talks about love’.
She reminds me a lot of Lek, the other ‘tweener I described last week; the kind of girl you do better to steer clear of. In both cases they are attractive enough on the surface to seem inviting, but as you get to know them you realize that that they each have a single-minded purpose — to be ‘rescued’ by a farang who will take them away to an easier and better life.
Which brings us back to Cat who is appealing for precisely the opposite reasons. She seems perfectly normal. She works hard in a low-level but demanding government job, she takes care of her mother and herself. She speaks English, but not because she is chasing a foreign husband — hell, I don’t even know if she likes farang (or any men for that matter) — but because it seems a good idea.
I asked her earlier this week why she had learned to speak such good English and she answered that she wanted to be able to travel to foreign countries. Then I asked what countries she had visited. She looked slightly embarrassed and said that she’d never been outside of Thailand.
This is a girl with real dreams that are probably limited by the realities of her life in Thailand. Unlike the ‘tweeners who seek a farang as the ticket to a different life, the ‘good’ girls… the normal girls… like Cat live a life more content, or perhaps just more resigned.
What was it the man said, “Most men live lives of quiet desperation”? I don’t know for sure, but my guess is that this description fits Cat well.
There’s not much happening in my life this week. Quiet nights at home watching TV and long days working. I spend about two hours a day traveling between work and home at the moment. I guess that’s why I’m writing about other people, but I hope it’s also somewhat illuminating for readers. I think most men who visit Thailand as occasional visitors never have the opportunity to get beyond the pay-for-play girls, and I suspect that most of them wouldn’t want to even if they could. I hope that these peeks at some real girls who are not directly connected to the P4P scene provides some added understanding or Thai people or some insight to life here in the Land of Smiles, but perhaps it falls short.
Ah! Cat just walked back into the office… I’d better go.


August 1, 2008 at 6:49 pm |
remember…..along the plains of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions….
August 1, 2008 at 7:03 pm |
Although I agree with Richard’s “hesitation” line, I also remember that it is not wise to screw around where your bread is buttered!!
August 1, 2008 at 7:25 pm |
Between a rock and a hard place, eh?
August 1, 2008 at 9:32 pm |
WW it’s a contract which will sooner or later expire giving you plenty of opportunity to explore the charms of any or all of these 3. Hang on this is Thailand so those sort of rules don’t even apply.
Have fun.
August 1, 2008 at 9:34 pm |
You’re working with “noticeably” younger people now, and the women turn out to be 37 and 39? Who were you working with before, Bea Arthur and Betty White?
August 1, 2008 at 9:49 pm |
LOL Gavinmac
August 1, 2008 at 10:36 pm |
Meeting nice girls like Cat can make one wonder why they bother with all of the ‘good time girls.’
Actually, we all know the reason why. perhaps its more accurate to say if girls like that make one wonder if a more ‘legit’ relationship is more fulfilling….
August 1, 2008 at 11:21 pm |
the contract your in is for a set time-limit – i think you’d written that in an earlier post – so wait until the end of the contract and ask her out.
no muss…no fuss…
-myrth
August 2, 2008 at 12:12 am |
Bea Aurthur is one very sexiest man!
So the honorable man wavers in conflicts of ethics vrs. personal interest? Hmmm……..
What would Batman do?
August 2, 2008 at 5:03 am |
Maybe i am interpreting this wrongly, but it seems Cat interests you greatly. Definatly ask her out when you finish the contract.
But then dont make it all weird and change the blog into “Thai family life, the buffalo and mother-in-law”
August 2, 2008 at 10:53 am |
Cat does interest me greatly.
Contract ends tomorrow.
tick, tock, tick, tock.
August 2, 2008 at 11:36 am |
Off topic but this name, Cat, reminds me of a cute massage girl in Phuket who… well, forget it. Go for Cat!
August 2, 2008 at 11:38 am |
“tick, tock, tick, tock.”
I assume that’s Cat’s biological clock?
She’s 37. That’s a risky investment. She may look OK now, but she’ll hit the wall pretty soon. They all do. Imagine ten years from now when you’re sitting at the Big Mango talking to a friend your age about his new 25 year old girlfriend. Your lesbian wife Cat will be 47. You will not be happy about that.
Good luck though. If she is gay, see if you can bring her back over to the other side. It would make a good story.
August 2, 2008 at 11:56 am |
Gavinmac, So whats the problem? A 47 year old wife supplemented with a 25 yeor old girlfirend sounds ok to me.
August 2, 2008 at 1:37 pm |
‘tick tock’ was intended to acknowledge that if my contract finishes tomorrow I don’t have much time to act.
married!? what!?
i haven’t even invited her to a movie yet and you’ve got me married ad sitting on a bar stool in the Big Mango already! Wow.
I reckon my chances of getting her to go out with me are no better than 1 in 10. But if you don’t play, you can’t win.
I have learned two more things about her since yesterday. She’s NOT a lesbian, so if I get rejected it’ll be because of who I am, not because of who she is.
Also, she is a vegetarian, which may account in part for the great preservation. Vegetarian… I kind of like that. Indicates a certain strength of character and will that I already was sure was there.
:p
August 2, 2008 at 3:38 pm |
So how many kids are you going to have after getting married to Cat… I’m presuming some time next week ?
Have you looked into good international schools there in Bangkok and what line of cirriculum they should study ?
August 2, 2008 at 5:36 pm |
Ah, so I was right then. Simmee does indeed desire some pork. Seems she’s quite used to it, so why not give her a run anyway?
I have a beautiful girl like Cat working in my office in Chonburi. Same sort of thing. She showed me a pic of her “boyfriend” and I remarked that he looks remarkably like a girl. She was. Ah well…
August 2, 2008 at 9:31 pm |
[...] expected Cat to be among the group coming out, and figured this would be the best opportunity I would have to [...]
August 4, 2008 at 10:16 pm |
[...] actual presentation of the Garfield toy, much to my delight, was performed by Cat, the girl I have been wanting to ask [...]
August 14, 2008 at 1:38 am |
Hi Werewolf, great site and very informative !!! I sent a comment yesterday but lost the page I sent it on so couldn’t see if you had replied…
Anyway, I’m in BKK end Sept and wanted to know if you fancy a few cold ones whilst I picked your brains about life in BKK etc…
Arrive 26th ……
Cheers.. Crowie
August 14, 2008 at 4:32 am |
Crowie: Thanks for the positive comment.
With your memory you may want to carry a small notebook around Bangkok to note down the names, numbers and locations of the girls you fancy if you want to see them a second time!
My work often takes me out of Bangkok, so it’s hard to know at this point whether we can get together or not… it depends on my work schedule, how long you are in town, etc.
The best thing to do is to touch base by email about a week ahead of your trip.
werewolfs_lair@yahoo.com